Steady State Podcast

S5E23: Nermine Khenefar: COVID, Kilimanjaro, and Crew

Ever dreamed of rowing on the Nile? Climbing Mount Kilimanjaro? Competing in the World Rowing Indoor Championship?
Egyptian Nermine Khenefar found rowing in her 40s when, winded on her ascent of Mt. Kilimanjaro, friend and explorer Omar Samra suggested she take up the sport to increase her aerobic capacity. After just a few years, Nermine is an avid masters rower and indoor rowing competitor who is seeking to row everywhere she travels and welcome visitors to row with her on the Nile in Cairo.
EPISODE QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode intro01:38 - Nermine's rowing origin story03:35 - Rowing Week 1-10: training for the 2025 World Rowing Indoor Championships05:39 - The Hot Seat Q&A09:24 - Competitive horse riding came to end with a knee injury11:00 - Rowing as spiritual and sacred time13:36 - Rowing provided renewed body confidence14:31 - Climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro on her 40th birthday17:23 - Challenges of racing when there are so few masters women rowing in Cairo22:53 - Flat water rowing on the River Nile, coastal rowing on the Red Sea27:53 - Rowing bucket list
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To see photos of Nermine, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
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S5E22: Fusing Innovation and Tradition at the Head of the Charles

Head of the Charles Regatta in Boston, Mass. is one of the jewels in the rowing crown. In our annual homage to this mega rowing event, we meet the leadership that makes it happen – new HOCR Executive Director Tori Stevens, and Director of Racing Brendan Mulvey.
We find out their personal stories of involvement in sport, and what about this regatta attracts 12,000 athletes and a few hundred thousand spectators each year to the waters and banks of the Charles River.
EPISODE QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Intro
1:26 - Rachel and Tara talk personal HOCR histories
4:40 - Welcome to Tori Stevens and Brendan Mulvey
5:40 - Rowing Week on a scale of 1 to 1005:57 - The Hot Seat Q&A
07:02 - Brendan's rowing origin story
08:05 - Tori’s life has always been infused with sport, including spectating HOCR as a college student
10:45 - HOCR is about racing, as well as community, tradition, reunion, and celebration
12:25 - What makes HOCR so unique?
14:50 - The importance of volunteers, from local regattas to HOCR’s 2000+ volunteer crew
19:45 - Tori’s onboaring as HOCR Executive Director, and continuing Fred Schoch’s legacy of balancing innovation, growth, and tradition
23:06 - Finding a new audience for HOCR using storytelling, the media, and technology to showcase rowing and help increase engagement and understanding for spectators
27:57 - Survivor Rowing Network and the exhibition Survivor Row
28:50 - Creating an inclusive envionment
30:38 - What’s not to be missed at HOCR: everything *else* to do at HOCR 
33:52 - Getting Boston, and spectators, prepared for race weekend
35:54 - Brendan’s Race Director tip for all crews
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To see photos, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
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S5E21: A Growing Network of Survivors Find Renewal on the Water

Kick off Breast Cancer Awareness Month with Beth Kohl, the President of Rowing Cares and Founder and Executive Director of Survivor Rowing Network; and rower, survivor and Pink Ribbon Row Seattle organizer Angie Gabel.
The Survivor Rowing Network is on a mission to create more opportunities for cancer survivors to row. Since launching in 2023, SRN has grown to 27 survivor rowing programs. This year, for the first time ever, the Head of the Charles regatta will host a Survivor Rowing Network event, featuring 11 women’s 8s, all of them breast cancer survivors!
EPISODE QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Intro01:40 - The Huddle03:20 - Rowing Week on a scale of 1 to 1006:38 - The Hot Seat Q&A08:32 - Beth’s height caught the attention of the Smith College rowing coach11:57 - Beth’s tall children followed in her rowing footsteps13:46 - Angie found rowing after a divorce and move to Austin, TX18:58 - Angie’s rowing community got her through breast cancer treatment and recovery19:59 - Angie’s motivation to create Pulling for Pink, and involvement with Row for the Cure, Pink Ribbon Row21:57 - Angie’s return to rowing at Head of the Charles24:46 - Pink Robbin Row by the numbers25:44 - How Survivor Rowing Network learned lessons from its predecessors, and became a successful grant-making organization30:15 - First-ever Survivor Row event at Head of the Charles32:32 - Survivor rows, survivor programs, and creating community34:54 - Outro
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To see photos of the Beth and Angie, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
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S5E20: Finding a Deeper Connection to the Water with Coastal Rowing

Once upon a time, way back in 2020, we thought of rowing in a very particular way: flat water, racing shells, and seeking the perfect stroke. As coastal rowing and beach sprints has gained some traction here in the U.S., we’ve broadened our understanding and definition of rowing to bring these disciplines into the conversation, too. 
On balance, coastal has probably tipped the scales of our conversation in 2024 as we trained for and participated in Race Around the Rock a coastal circumnavigation of Salt Spring Island in British Columbia. If you’re a tried and true flat water rower, thanks for exploring these new ideas about rowing right along with us!
In case you missed it, the 2024 World Rowing Beach Sprint Finals were held September 13-15 in Genoa, Italy and Team USA brought home 3 Gold and 1 Silver medal.
Joining us to talk about the rise of coastal rowing and beach sprints are Team USA head coach Marc Oria, and rower Pearl Outlaw, a member of the first ever pararowing women’s quad.
QUICK LOOK
02:10 - The Huddle03:15 - Welcome 05:18 - Rowing Week 1-1007:32 - The Hot Seat Q&A15:54 - A degenerative eye disease impacted Pearl’s sight; learning to row offered her an opportunity to participate in a sport 19:47 - Marc learned to row at age 12 in Spain, and ate humble pie at his first regatta22:13 - Marc’s coaching career began with making sure little kids had fun, and he maintains that philosophy today28:11 - A brief introduction to coastal endurance and beach sprints31:43 - Pearl’s transition from flat water national team to coastal rowing33:45 - Adaptive technology for vision impaired athletes38:58 - Letting go of perfection and embracing chaos40:49 - Next Level Rowing’s role in developing coastal and beach sprint athletes44:33 - The first pararowing women’s quad
45:54 - Opportunities to get involved in coastal are sparse, but growing, in the U.S.47:29 - Pearl’s pursuit of being a dual sport athlete, with success in nordic skiing and biathlon52:15 - Pearl and Marc’s  training, racing, and coaching goals for 202554:19 - Getting the ball rolling for Youth Olympic Games 2026, and LA Olympics 202857:43 - Outro
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To see photos of the Marc and Pearl, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
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S5E19: Allies with Oars Goes Coastal at Race Around The Rock

After six months of training, Steady State Network’s Allies with Oars’ first coastal – and first international – race is a wrap! Two Allies With Oars mixed 4x+ crews spent the better part of Aug. 25, 2024 circumnavigating an 88k course around Salt Spring Island in British Columbia, for Race Around the Rock, hosted by Salt Spring Island Rowing Club. We got a little bit of everything: flat water, rolling waves, eddies, boat wakes, seals, massive jellyfish, excitement at the start line, confidence, pain cave suffering, and elation at the finish line.
Post-race, and with beverages in hand, the team sat down together to relive some highlights (and low lights) and share what made the experience so meaningful.
Thanks to all our family and friends for volunteering to lend a hand throughout race weekend. We couldn’t have made it around this rock without you.
Thanks to our race sponsors: JL Racing, Live2Row Studios, and Racing Hands.
 
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode Lead-In and Welcome
02:02 - Six months of training with Live2Row Studios
05:20 - Favorite part of the race
08:53 - Challenges of the race
14:45 - Imposter syndrome and getting hooked
16:36 - Race day success was only possible with a lot of help from teammates, friends, and family
20:55 - Race day firsts
22:25 - About the Allies with Oars initiative
26:25 - ”Thank yous”
28:46 - What’s up next for Allies?
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To see photos of the Allies with Oars crew, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
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S5E18: Club Spotlight - Salt Spring Island Rowing Club

As part of our semi-regular club spotlight series, we cross the northern border into British Columbia, Canada to learn more about Salt Spring Island Rowing Club. Steady State Network's own Allies with Oars crews were just on the island for the Club's 88k coastal rowing regatta – Race Around the Rock. 
Meet Salt Spring Island Rowing Club head coach Stacey Mitchell, RAR race director Zoe Clark, and new(ish) master's sculler Michael Strumberger. Together they embody the enthusiasm, passion, and motivation necessary to build and sustain this small town rowing club.
 
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode Lead-In and Welcome
01:55 - The Huddle
03:37 - Rowing Week on a scale of 1-10
06:40 - The Hot Seat Q&A
11:22 - Stacy’s LTR story started with a swimming injury
14:24 - Michael’s “very casual relationship with fitness” shifted when he decided to try the gym erg
17:18 - Zoe’s rowing journey started with gnarly hands from hours on the monkey bars
20:02 - Why keep coming back to rowing?
26:59 - Salt Spring Rowing Club is small and growing!
32:22 - SSI members
34:08 - A rowing morning on St. Mary’s Lake starts with a quiet trip down a dirt road
37:20 - Race Around the Rock
49:50 - SSN's Allies with Oars: ruffling feathers to push the boundary of “mixed” lineups
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To see photos of Stacy, Zoe, and Michael, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
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S5E17: Julien Bahain’s Lifetime of Seeking Perfect Moments

Inspired by his parents from an early age to work hard, Julien Bahain became a 3-time Olympian and an Olympic medalist. He’s been involved with rowing for 25 years, taking on multiple disciplines including flat water, coastal, and ocean rowing.
Over the years, his involvement in the sport has grown too, from organizing World Rowing Championships and helping establish OARCA, to founding West Coast Rowing Adventures with his wife Katie. Together their goal is to grow coastal rowing and share the beauty of British Columbia. 
QUICK LOOK
00:11 - Pre-Show Banter01:08 - Welcome01:55 - Episode Lead-In 05:08 - The Huddle06:38 - Rowing Week on a scale of 1-1009:10 - The Hot Seat Q&A13:19 - Julien’s rowing origin story15:52 - “Work hard, do it well, and do your best” was instilled from a young age by his parents18:48 - Coastal rowing in Julien’s life from LTR to organizing World Rowing Championships21:20 - Establishing OARCA22:52 - Coastal as an alternative access to rowing for people around the world27:47 - The perfect stroke is found in a perfect moment30:42 - Honing his Olympic rowing color commentary for the CBC35:38 - Founding West Coast Rowing Adventures 37:24 - Race Around the Rock40:38 - Thoughts on the proliferation of ocean rowing races44:18 - A lifetime of rowing leads to an ever-growing community “family”
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To see photos of Julien, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E16 - 100 Episodes: From Launch to Cox Seat at Every Level

In the early months of the COVID-19 pandemic, when it was clear that the 2020 rowing season was in jeopardy, we started brainstorming. We were just two masters rowers and coaches who wanted to celebrate the expansive array of rowers, coaches, and coxswains and savor real-life experience from launch to cox seat at every level. 
We launched Steady State Network in September 2020 with one goal: reframe the popular, yet limited narrative about rowing culture by creating a more inclusive and better represented rowing community. 
On September 22, 2020 with very little audio production experience, but plenty of big ideas and lots of opinions, we dropped episode 1 of Steady State Podcast and wondered: will anyone notice? Will anyone listen?
Join us to look back – and ahead – as we celebrate our 100th episode! 
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode Intro 01:13 - Re-writing the original show intro, the simplicity of the early scripts, how COVID reshaped our lives, and learning to be brave07:15 - From Day 1, Steady State Podcast was a COVID project with a long-term mission to challenge the popular yet limited narrative about rowing
Training and Racing10:35 - Williamsburg Boat Club coach Tom Rooks on finding your “why,” and on nerves, anxiety, expectations and visualizing “rear view moments”14:20 - New Zealand Olympian Eric Murray tells a story about an out of control water bottle during a World Cup race
Coaching16:29 - Live2Row Studios Founders and Coaches Stephen Pryor and Justin Knust on checking yourself19:33 - Technique spotlight with New Zealand Olympian Eric Murray: finding suspension on the erg
Coxing23:33 - Whitney Powell of the Candid Cox explains taking ownership of the boat26:24 - Olympian and founder of the 9th Seat Mary Whipple says “less is more” and give space between asks29:26 - Masters coxswain Mitch King hinges his coxing on being collaborative
The Big Issues32:29 - Coach Libby Boghossian’s seasonal SafeSport discussions create a culture for her young athletes where everyone is enlisted in the effort to keep their rowing community safe.37:48 - Olympian, author, and UVA strength coach Lindsay Dare Shoop worries about the pressure of collegiate name/image/likeness (NIL) deals41:39 - Non-binary rower David Scherzer on the limiting male/female gender structure46:04 - Former Tulsa University Women’s Head Coach Kevin Harris on USRowing’s gender identity policy and the importance of inclusion
The Perfect Stroke49:30 - Setting up the perfect stroke50:35 - New Orleans Rowing Club accepts the chaos of coastal rowing53:09 - Joe DeLeo of Science of Rowing and the Leo Training Podcast considers whether the perfect stroke is possible 54:12 - Olympians Mary Whipple and Gevvie Stone on the eternal quest55:31 - UW Coach Marqus Brown describes a “quiet” prefect stroke56:48 - Lake Washington Rowing Club boatswain Susan Kinne describes the meditative experience of rowing in the morning53:55 - Outro
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To see photos of our guests, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S5E15: Trading Oars for Megaphones: Olympian Kris Thorsness on Life as a USRowing Referee

In 1984, Kris Thorsness brought home gold in the U.S. women’s 8+ from the Olympic Games Los Angeles. Home was Alaska, where she was welcomed with a parade and the distinction of being the first Alaskan to win an Olympic medal.
Today she says she’s “just a masters rower,” but 40 years after that gold medal Olympic performance, she’s also a USRowing Referee and is an Arbitrator for the Court of Arbitration for Sport and the U.S. and Paralympic Committee.
Before she heads off to Paris for the 2024 Olympics in her role as an Arbitrator, we talk with Kris about refereeing, which is often glossed over by rowers but is key to ensuring regattas are safe and effectively run, with a focus on sportsmanship.
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Welcome and Episode lead-In 01:34 - The Huddle03:00 - Rowing Week04:55 - The Hot Seat Q&A06:30 - Favorite part of refereeing: the chase boat08:57 - Favorite place to referee09:40 - Challenges of referees and a lack of funding isn’t helping with bringing new refs down the pipeline16:59 - Rowing Origin: walking on at the University of Wisconsin (Go Badgers!)20:04 - Grit, coming back from behind, and being eager to go into the pain cave23:36 - Accepting the pain and getting gold at the 1984 Olympic Games L.A.26:04 - Advice for rowers aspiring towards the Olympics30:44 - A pair of tan pants and a blue Oxford shirt got Kris started as a referee31:55 - The process of becoming a USRowing referee35:35 - What you need to understand about race officials36:11 - Sassing the referees38:30 - As an arbitrator for the Court of Arbitration for Sport, what types of cases *might* Kris handle at the Olympic Games Paris?41:54 - Are there any doping concerns in Olympic rowing?43:10 - As an IOC delegate, Kris has an all access pass to the events … if she has time to go44:28 - Making the pitch to new potential referees46:37 - SSN Events & Announcements
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To see photos of Kris Thorsness, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E14: Olympian Jacob Plihal's Lesson in Patience and Persistence

Born and raised on Vashon Island, Washington, Jacob Plihal wasn’t super excited to start rowing (ugh, spandex!), but in 2012 a knee injury prompted him to give up his basketball dreams. With prodding from his physical therapist, and then motivated by friend, classmate and Jr. National Team rower Mia Croonquist, he climbed the ladder to Northeastern University team captain, then the U23 National team, and most recently was named to the 2024 U.S. Olympic team in the men’s single. At 6’10”, Jacob has a clear view of the world’s biggest rowing and athletic achievement: Paris 2024.
We really appreciated his honesty about working for over a decade through both success and disappointment. About turning down opportunities because funding wasn’t available. And about having to work around limited mobility in his knee. He credits sticking to the grind and figuring out what works (and what doesn’t) to being stubborn.
For all these reasons, we’re rooting for Vashon Island’s hometown kid this summer at the Olympic Games Paris.
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode Lead-In01:22 - The Huddle02:13 - On a scale of 1-10, Jacob’s rowing week was a 702:37 - The Hot Seat Q&A03:53 - Growing up with freedom to explore on Vashon Island, WA 05:21 - Rowing origin story: A serious knee injury as a teen changed Jacob’s athletic path 08:42 - Rehabbing an injury while you’re still growing, and working around limited range of motion today10:23 - Being a member of the Green Racing Project at Craftsbury Outdoor Center12:28 - Playing it safe before the big show14:10 - The idea of making a national team was planted very early16:55 - What the heck is the Regatta of Death?21:06 - What’s on your mind on the starting blocks in Lucerne?23:30 - Rowing Fillipi’s biggest single and testing out various Concept2 blades24:15  - Hometown response to qualifying for the Olympics26:00 - Making the most of being an Olympian in the community27:47 - Olympic race date/time and getting a new Fillipi in Paris29:27 - Jacob explains the perfect stroke and a Kris Korzeniowski drill to help you get there31:50 - Tara and Rachel’s move into sculling in 2024 for Race Around the Rock34:57 - Rowing with Isaiah Harrison (6’9”) vs Don Williams (6’2”)36:00 - SSN Events & Announcements
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To see photos of Jacob Plihal, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E13 - Chiro Joe: Back Pain and Injury Prevention

 We challenge our listeners to "Ask us Anything." When a very specific question came in about back pain, we didn't feel like we 100% had the authority to answer it. So show co-host Rachel Freedman called up her chiropractor – and former DC Strokes Rowing Club member – Dr. Joe Henderson to get his insights.
Together we delve into causes of rowers' back pain, injury prevention, managing expectations, stretching, and considering other pain points like forearms and hip flexors.
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in
00:54 - Co-hosts Tara Morgan and Rachel Freedman talk about their own back pain and experiences with chiropractors
07:35 - Dr. Joe Henderson on managing expectations when working to prevent injury
08:51 - Listener question: "I experience back pain when sweeping but not sculling..."
12:59 - Rachel’s journey to chiro care
15:29 - Mitigating pain through stretching and mobility
20:50 - Take time off and see a doctor
22:40 - Steady State Network events and initiatives
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To see photos of Dr. Joe Henderson, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E12 - Feet, Seats, and Finding Comfort on the Erg

There are many impersonators, but Concept2 RowErgs are the original – and for many the gold standard – indoor rowing machine. It all started in the early 1970s with brothers Dick and Pete Dreissigacker, a bike wheel, and engineering experiments in a barn in Vermont.
Dick and Pete know their machines, and rowing, inside and out so we called up Dick to talk about how foot stretcher set up can help both new and seasoned rowers.
And because we were really geeking out on erg set up 101, we enlisted Will Ruth, the Green Racing Project Strength Coach and Sculling Camp Coordinator at Craftsbury. 
Dick and Will help us consider heel height, seat pads, horizontal drive, and finding comfort on the erg.
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in01:05 - Dick Dreissigacker on erg foot stretcher set up considerations and compromises06:07 - Seat pads06:59 - Clip in shoes, raising your heels, and that pair of erging shoes you just can’t give up on09:45 - Heels up or heels down at the catch?14:36 - Part 2: Will Ruth on setting up the erg for comfort18:27 - Setting up heel heights for rowers with leg length discrepancies, or significant differences in left/right shoe sizes19:38 - How adjusting the foot stretcher height effects the stroke21:18 - Modifying the horizontal seat to heel relationship by using a seat pad - on the erg vs in a boat22:47 - Rigging solution choices for club boats25:48 - Foam heel inserts for rowers with small feet26:37 - Horizontal forces can be good as long as they don’t compromise something else28:05 - SSN events and initiatives
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To see photos of Dick and Will, and get links to the people and resources mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E11 - With Equal Parts Data and Devotion, Live2Row Founders Help Rowers Find More Speed

Twenty years after meeting as high school athletes, long time friends Stephen Pryor and Justin Knust are coaching in studio, online, and on the water, as the data-driven founders of Live2Row Studios.
While hauling regatta trailers and drinking beers in bars, Stephen and Justin realized that the coaching and training system they’d been developing for youth rowers could be valuable for the larger rowing community. In 2015, they opened the doors to Live2Row Studios in Ocoee, FL, and pivoted during COVID to offer live on-line training.
Today, their growing coaching staff uses ErgZone’s powerful metrics to provide personalized benchmarks and they are devoted to making a difference for the rowing community.
SIDE NOTE: We're grateful to Live2Row for creating a 6-month endurance training plan for our Allies with Oars crews to prepare for Race Around the Rock, an 88k coastal relay race around Salt Spring Island in British Columbia on Aug. 25, 2024.
 
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in02:45 - Rowing week on a scale of 1-1004:28 - Hot Seat Q&A13:19 -  Stephen and Justin's rowing origin stories15:36 - Early days developing as a rower and coxswain with the Orlando Area Rowing Society18:10 - The culture of suffering and working to change opinions about erg workouts21:01 - Approaching the erg and culture around masters coaching25:21 - Live2Row seeks to impact all levels of rowing from the top down, bottom up29:34 - “Talking about rowing is becoming a better coach”34:20 - How Live2Row pivoted (and grew) during COVID38:22 - Live2Row camps are designed around the on-water training schedule AND with basement erg owners in mind40:10 - The Live2Row community44:14 - The guys describe the perfect stroke47:54 - SSN events and initiatives
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To see photos of Stephen, Justin, and Live2Row members, and get links to the people, clubs, events, and resources mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E10 - Rethinking Flying Solo: Bill Byrd Has a Change of Heart

This is the fifth and final episode in a series on heart attacks and emergency preparedness. In this series you’ll hear first hand accounts from rowers who survived heart attacks, teammates and coaches who witnessed these events, and even from widows who reflect on warning signs and “what ifs.”
On this episode:Bill Byrd has been rowing for nearly six decades and was a founding member of Willamette Rowing Club in Portland Oregon. One morning in 2018, he suffered a heart attack while training in his single. This is a story about living well, being prepared, the power of having all hands on deck, and survival.
We couldn’t tell Bill’s story without his ex-wife and longtime rowing partner, Jann Byrd, who was also on the water that morning and played a pivotal role in saving his life. 
Stay tuned at the end for safety tips from US Rowing Director of Safeguarding Tom Rooks and be sure to share the whole series with your boathouse safety committee and coaches.
Other episodes in this series:Perspective: One Coach’s Lifesaving Efforts
Giving and Getting Support: Burnham Boat Slings’ Peter Kermond
Sue and John Hooten’s Mutual Admiration Society
For One Heart Attack Survivor, the Beat Goes On
 
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in02:55 - Rowing week on a scale of 1-1004:13 - Hot Seat Q&A06:31 - Rowing on the Willamette07:45 - Bill wanted to play football at UW but instead got recruited to row11:32 - Jann first got in the coxswain seat for mens boats at the Naval Academy14:25 - Bill’s heart attack story, from slipping into the water, to CPR and EMS response22:48 - Ripple effects on the club and teammates25:30 - The diagnosis, rehab, recovery, and return to racing30:10 - Safety precautions: logbook, PFD, cell phone, heart rate monitor33:51 - What a life of rowing has given Bill and Jann36:06 - The perfect stroke38:47 - 2024 season40:30 - How racing changes as you age up through the categories42:50 - Top Tips from Tom Rooks, USRowing Director of Safeguarding47:30 - SSN events and initiatives
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To see photos of Bill and Jann, and get links to the people, clubs, events, and resources mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E9 - Perspective: One Coach's Lifesaving Efforts

This is the fourth episode in a series on heart attacks and emergency preparedness. In this multi-part series you’ll hear first hand accounts from rowers who survived heart attacks, teammates and coaches who witnessed these events, and even from widows who reflect on warning signs and “what ifs.”
On this episode:Damion Winship had only been coaching for the Ancient Mariners Rowing Club for a short while the morning his coaching life changed. A masters rower new to his program had a heart attack on the water. Hear how Damion worked through his emergency checklist, how his CPR training kicked in, and how the crew worked together to try to save a life. 
Other episodes in this series:Giving and Getting Support: Burnham Boat Slings’ Peter Kermond
Sue and John Hooten’s Mutual Admiration Society
For One Heart Attack Survivor, the Beat Goes On
 
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in01:25 - What prompted our heart attack and emergency preparedness series03:40 - Coaching older rowers; Rowing and Aging project05:58 - Coach Damion Winship details the moment a guest rower suffered a heart attack and the steps he and the crew took to try to save his life12:38 - Providing CPR on the water, and quick decision making23:05 - Damion and the aftermath - protocols and more28:31 - Tara and Rachel post-interview reflections36:28 - USRowing Director of Safeguarding Tom Rooks’ tips for rowers and coaches in an on-water emergency situation39:47 - SSN events and initiatives
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To see photos of Damion, and get links to the people, clubs, events, and resources mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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Steady State Podcast is written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

S5E8 - Bonnie Garmus: Life Lessons in Balance

Bonnie Garmus was a competitive masters rower for years before an offhand comment during a business meeting prompted her to begin writing her debut novel, "Lessons in Chemistry," which has been adapted into an Apple TV+ series.
Everyone wants to talk with Bonnie about the book’s main character, Elizabeth Zott, but we turned the table to ask Bonnie about the role rowing plays in her life – and her book – which has been on The New York Times bestseller list for nearly 100 weeks.
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QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in and intro
03:04 - The Huddle: Get to know Bonnie Garmus
03:35 - Rowing Week: erging
05:15 - Meeting the Queen 
07:26 - Hot Seat Q&A
08:38 - Cold open water swimming as a kid with her Dad
11:42 - Learning to row at Green Lake Rowing Club in Seattle
15:08 - Feeling a boat pick up and go for the first time
17:34 - Tara explains “the rower life cycle”
19:33 - How rowing effected Bonnie’s life
22:50 - Rowing as a character in "Lessons in Chemistry"
22:46 - Rowing as a hardship for Elizabeth to handle 
29:14 - Was any of the book’s rowing based on Bonnie’s personal experience?
30:11 - What Bonnie really thinks about the Apple TV+ adaptation of "Lessons in Chemistry"
32:34 - Learning to never quit
33:19 - About that other book adapted for screen: "Boys in the Boat"
39:01 - SSN events and initiatives
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To see photos of Bonnie, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Live2Row Studios, Breakwater Realty, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.

E5S7 - Giving and Getting Support: Burnham Boat Sling's Peter Kermond

This is the third episode in a series on heart attacks and emergency preparedness. In this multi-part series you’ll hear first hand accounts from rowers who survived heart attacks, teammates and coaches who witnessed these events, and even from widows who reflect on warning signs and “what ifs.”
On this episode:Peter Kermond has been the face and voice of Burnham Boat Slings since purchasing the business in 1999. When he's not in the shop, or out rowing, he is probably manning a Burnham booth at a regatta. That’s where we met him - at Head of the Charles - in 2022, just a month after he survived a widowmaker heart attack. Peter and his wife Carin Reynolds are both successful national team members, masters rowers, and high school coaches. They are also a testament to teamwork, as they navigated Peter’s health emergency and rehabilitation, and his return to racing.
Other episodes in this series:
Sue and John Hooten’s Mutual Admiration Society
For One Heart Attack Survivor, the Beat Goes On
 
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in02:20 - The Huddle: Get to know Peter and Carin04:40 - Rowing Week: erg and tank workouts06:12 - Hot Seat Q&A10:59 - Peter got hooked on rowing in high school training, traveling, and racing in the summer with Belmont Rowing Club13:22 - Carin’s college sophomore experience with “WRECK” rowing14:10 - Peter and Carin met in 1984 as members of the US  LTWT National Team, reconnected years later as coaches in New Hampshire15:59 - The day in 2022 when Peter had a widowmaker heart attack24:12 - Family history, no warning25:45 - Rehab, getting back in the boat, and feeling better than before the heart attack31:08 - Support from the rowing community32:32 - Bringing awareness to friends and rowers about heart health35:59 - Finding perfect strokes on the Connecticut River in Hanover, NH39:47 - Burnham coastal products, Blackburn Challenge, and Race Around the Rock47:10 - Tom’s Tips49:10 - SSN events and initiatives
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To see photos of Peter and Carin, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Live2Row, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S5E6 - How to Thrive: Lessons from ZLAC, the World's Oldest Women's Rowing Club

As part of our club spotlight series and in the lead-up to San Diego Crew Classic, we head to California to get to know ZLAC, the oldest women’s rowing club in the world.
Established in 1892, ZLAC's unique structure allows for both competitive and social memberships. You don't have to row. New members are added to generational Crews to bolster cross-program and boathouse interaction and provide personal connections to members in a similar age range for support. As far as we know, ZLAC is unique in this offering. Be prepared to take notes and consider what more your club could do to help build and sustain community.
Through the years, ZLAC programs have produced U.S. National Team members, Olympians, top college rowers, regional racers, and thousands of recreational rowers. The heart of ZLAC’s mission is to support all women and girls through the sport of rowing. 
We're joined by ZLAC's Masters Head Coach Chris Shannon, Athletic Chair Tanya Ferguson, and recent LTR grad Lee Copson.
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QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in02:17 - The Huddle: Get to know Chris, Tanya, and Lee02:54 - Rowing Week05:39 - Hot Seat Q&A09:56 - Chris got just one sculling lesson, then spent months flipping before being invited to a sweep team14:49 - Lee was a social member since high school, and learned to row when she became an empty nester17:38 - Tanya came to rowing after a soccer injury20:52 - A brief look at ZLAC's 130+ year history23:18 - ZLAC’s generational social crews and the bonds they help create among members27:06 - Understanding the inner workings that make ZLAC so special 27:55 - Joining, membership, and programs30:18 - Lee describes San Diego Bay30:59 - ZLAC’s decades-long involvement with San Diego Crew Classic35:14 - Chris, Tanya, and Lee tell us what's ahead in 202441:39 - ZLAC’s Legacy
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To see photos of Chris, Tanya, Lee, and ZLAC founders, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Live2Row, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S5E5 - Sue and John Hooten's Mutual Admiration Society

This is the second episode in a series on heart attacks and emergency preparedness. In this multi-part series you’ll hear first hand accounts from rowers who survived heart attacks, teammates and coaches who witnessed these events, and even from widows who reflect on warning signs and “what ifs.”
On this episode:A member of the first U.S. women’s Olympic team and a longtime masters rower, Sue Hooten has a lifetime of rowing memories. She learned to row in California in the early 1970s, really appreciated the boathouse sock box in Philadelphia, and has raced around the world. In March 2018, her husband, former National Team and Vesper Boat Club coach John Hooten, had a medical emergency on the water while training in his 1x. He was out with his training partner, without a coach, and – like most rowers – was not wearing a PFD.
Stay tuned ‘til the end. We tapped Tom Rooks, USRowing’s Director of Safeguarding, for top safety tips that scullers – who row without a coach present – should consider.
Other episodes in this series:Giving and Getting Support: Burnham Boat Slings’ Peter Kermond
For One Heart Attack Survivor, the Beat Goes On
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QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in01:57 - The Huddle: Get to know Sue05:55 - Sue’s Rowing Week… could have been better: arthritis & cataracts06:37 - Hot Seat Q&A11:20 - Sue’s rowing story began as walk on at UC Santa Barbara14:29 - Meeting Coach Harry Parker and moving to Boston for National Team selection camp18:47 - Coach Ted Nash paired Sue with Laura (Staines) Giardano for the 2x22:27 - Meeting Vesper coach John Hooten24:36 - About John and his unconventional way of looking at things29:37 - John’s return to rowing in 201631:14 - March 5, 2018: The day John didn’t make it back to the dock33:20 - Looking back at warning signs35:57 - Could a life jacket have helped John?38:21 - Staying connected with friends after John’s death39:23 - What’s ahead for Sue’s rowing life in 2024?41:57 - Tom’s Top Tips: USRowing safety guidelines for scullers rowing without a coach present
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To see photos of Sue and John, and get links to the people, clubs, events, and resources mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Live2Row, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S5E4: For One Heart Attack Survivor, the Beat Goes On

This is the first episode in a series on heart attacks and emergency preparedness. In this multi-part series you’ll hear first hand accounts from rowers who survived heart attacks, teammates and coaches who witnessed these events, and even from widows who reflect on warning signs and “what ifs.”
In this episode:Willamette Rowing Club couple David Setter and Sarah Copeland are enthusiastic about having learned to row as adults and use the word "fun" to describe their rowing life way more than anyone else we've can think of. But one day in 2018, David had a heart attack. Together, David and Sarah recount that day and why he survived, and delve into  recovery and returning to the boat. We also come to terms with erg splits going up as we get older and talk about learning to enjoy rowing for the sake of rowing.
We also tap Tom Rooks, USRowing’s Director of Safeguarding, for top tips that coaches, rowers, and teammates can use when there’s an emergency on the water, or around the boathouse.
Other episodes in this series:Giving and Getting Support: Burnham Boat Slings’ Peter Kermond
Sue and John Hooten’s Mutual Admiration Society
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QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in01:21 - The Huddle: Get to know David and Sarah04:10 - David and Sarah's rowing week was terrible 06:44 - Hot Seat Q&A17:00 - David’s rowing origin story21:43 - Sarah’s rowing origin story24:41 - David describes his heart attack like “the 1,500m mark of a 2k”30:27 - Genetics had David thinking he’d be dead by 6035:39 - Sarah’s side of the story: knowing David since they were 16, she was sure he’d survive the heart attack37:36 - Trusting your body after injury, and your heart after a Widowmaker heart attack44:18 - The reality of getting older, slower splits, and finding joy in rowing49:19 - What’s ahead for David and Sarah’s rowing life in 2024?53:18 - Tom’s Top Tips: USRowing guidelines for responding to a heart attack at your boathouse57:49 - Behind the scenes with Tara and Rachel
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To see photos of David and Sarah, and get links to the people, clubs, events, and resources mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Concept2, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S5E3: Elizabeth Gilmore Gets After It

Elizabeth Gilmore has had in insanely meteoric trajectory from indoor rowing newbie to indoor rowing champion and world record holder, to Head of the Charles course record breaker.
It all started with getting on the erg to rehab a running injury. Then came the Concept2 Logbook and challenges. Then virtual racing (and winning), before stepping onto the gym floor at Erg Sprints for her first in-person event where she took home two gold medals.
She was scouted by Capital Rowing Club where she learned to row sweep on the fly with the competitive women’s program, and today is to training for a row across the Atlantic.
And all of this in the span of just about two years.
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QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in
04:20 - The Huddle: Get to know Elizabeth in a minute
05:07 - Rowing Week on a scale of 1 to 10: 7 - good training, bad weather
05:53 - Hot Seat Q&A
08:44 - When ball sport coordination is lacking, run
10:57- Elizabeth’s rowing origin story began while rehabbing a running injury
13:57 - COVID and the rise of virtual indoor rowing training and racing
16:04 - Elizabeth’s first in-person indoor rowing event: Erg Sprints
18:54 - Getting scouted by Capital Rowing Club and how learning to row with the competitive women’s program was like drinking water from a firehouse
25:35 - Endurance rowing: training to row the Atlantic in 2024; December 2023 erg 100k with friends; passing the time on the erg; Lessons in Chemistry
31:25 - What’s next in 2024?
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To see photos of Elizabeth, and get links to the people, clubs, and events, mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Concept2, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S5E2: Coach Libby Boghossian Picks Up Where SafeSport Leaves Off

Teens are super aware of stranger danger from a really young age, but most of them have genuinely never thought about misconduct from known adults. Using SafeSport training as a springboard, Coach Libby Boghossian leads in-depth discussions with her Brookline High School rowers about team policies and the concepts of consent, power imbalance, and coercion. She’s helping to create a culture for her young athletes where everyone is enlisted in the effort to keep their rowing community safe.
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Episode lead-in
01:54 - Rachel & Tara talk SafeSport, "when were kids," and "kids nowadays"
07:45 - Key point: the kids are crucial
08:40 - The Huddle: Get to know Libby in a minute
09:22 - Rowing Week on a scale of 1 to 10: 6
09:55 - Hot Seat Q&A
16:28 - Libby's rowing origin story is a doozie
24:25- Libby's first coaching gig while in college, and the quirks of coaching novices
33:07 - A (very) brief intro to SafeSport
34:26 - Why SafeSport and conduct are important to Libby and her rowing community in Boston
38:11 - SafeSport training for teens: making sure the whole team is on the same page
46:38 - Inside the teenage mind when determining unpleasant vs abusive treatment by coaches
49:07 - Kids are critical in terms of being on the front lines and seeing behaviors and activities first
50:13 - Red flags to look out for and a deep dive into Libby’s discussion for her junior athletes
58:27 - Feedback from rowers and parents about Libby's curriculum
1:03:10 - What Libby wished she knew as a teenager 
1:04:07 - Libby’s hope for the future of the rowing community
1:05:43 - Abuse can happen at all levels, getting kids involved in spotting and reporting incidents
1:08:22 - Resources
1:09:14 - Teenagers and maturity
1:10:00 - Sign off
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Concept2, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S5E1 - Mary Whipple: Coaching the Coxswain

After providing some basic instruction, coaches often leave coxswains to figure things out on their own.
Three-time medal-winning U.S. Olympic coxswain Mary Whipple recognized this gap in the coaching playbook and founded The 9th Seat, offering camps, resources, and community for coxswains.
Hear what Mary has to say about lucky breaks and logistics, and why being a motivator isn’t at the top of her coxing list.
QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Intro
05:07 - Team huddle: Mary’s coxing bio 
05:45 - Mary’s rowing week: Writing the USRowing Coxing Course for athletes and coaches
13:30 - Developing empathy as a coxswain and giving rowers time to make changes
16:48 - Creating a practice environment where coxswain feels safe to fail
23:03 - Hot Seat Q&A
26:45 - What was behind Mary’s successful trajectory from high school, to UW, to the National Team?
33:33 - Hitting her stride at the University of Washington
35:15 - Mary’s most influential coaches
40:21 - Keeping coxswains engaged and motivated throughout the pipeline from scholastic, to college, to masters
45:27 - On bad days…
46:30 - More talking isn’t better. Listen, feel, check-in, fix.
49:05 - The perfect stroke: a feeling that comes from efficiency, suspension, and collaboration
55:38 - Leading the way in coaching coxswains
56:29 - Outro
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To see photos of Mary, and get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Concept2, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.
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This episode was written, produced, hosted, and edited by Tara Morgan and Rachel Freedman. Tara provides additional audio engineering and is our sponsor coordinator. Rachel manages the website, social media, and e-newsletter. Our theme music is by Jonas Hipper.
 

S4E23 - The Jen Huffman Connection

Jen Huffman gave her son a guilt trip about learning to row. “You would make your great grandpa so happy!” And when your great grandpa is Joe Rantz, 7 seat in the University of Washington crew that took gold at the 1936 Olympics, you learn to row. Jen also took up the challenge and learned to row as an adult, quickly becoming an accomplished masters rower in the Seattle area.
Growing up, Jen didn’t know much about her Grandpa Joe’s rowing history. But late in his life, she found his memorabilia from the crew’s trip to the Berlin Olympics. Jen tells us how a scrapbook she made became the jumping off point for author Daniel James Brown’s now blockbuster book The Boys in the Boat.
Ten years after the book was published, it’s become a George Clooney-directed movie. We talk with Jen about the power of rowing and seeing her grandpa brought to life on the big screen.
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QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Intro
01:49 - Team huddle: Jen’s rowing bio 
02:13 - Jen’s rowing week rated a 6, and included a “sushi race” in Lake Union in Seattle, WA
05:33 - Hot Seat Q&A
08:34 - Getting to know grandpa Joe
13:18 - Jenn guilt-tripped her son into learning to row, then learned to row herself in 2008
18:24 - Coaching gymnastics, coaching rowing, and taking off your coach’s hat when you’re rowing
25:56 - Jen’s 2023 rowing season
28:45 - The story of The Boys in the Boat book began with a family scrapbook 
34:42 - Being a part of Daniel James Brown’s writing process, and learning about Grandpa Joe chapter by chapter
39:55 - MOHAI exhibit, Joe’s “Amerika” flag, and some Husky Challenger history
43:28 - North Cascades Crew Joe Rantz Boathouse on Lake Stevens
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To see photos of Jen, Joe, and 1936 UW memorabilia, and to get links to the people, clubs, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Concept2, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.

S4E22: 2023 Year in Review

In this special episode, co-hosts Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan take a look back at 2023. Go behind the scenes of Steady State Podcast to learn more about Rachel and Tara's rowing careers, listen to clips from some of their favorite season 4 episodes, consider their big takeaways from interviews with nearly 40 guests in the past 12 months, and get a peak at what's to come in Season 5 in 2024.
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QUICK LOOK
00:00 - Intro / a reflection on the first 4 seasons of Steady State Podcast
03:14 - Get to know co-hosts Rachel Freedman and Tara Morgan
08:57 - On a scale of 1-10 ... rating our rowing year
13:28 - Hot Seat Q&A
24:05 - The building blocks of a podcast: awesome audience, supportive Patrons, marketing
26:25 - Favorite moments of 2023: gender identity policy series, Gevvie Stone, Lindsay Dare Shoop, Next Level Rowing, Indianapolis Rowing Club spotlight, Unity Boat Club's Excellence in Black Rowing event
45:05 - Upping our game as a media outlet at USRowing Masters Nationals and Head of the Charles
47:41 - Takeaways: it's time to take beach sprints and coastal rowing seriously; incorporating non-binary athletes into racing is complicated
53:05 - Partnerships
54:29 - Wrapping up Season 4 with Jennifer Huffman, masters rower and granddaughter of Boys in the Boat central character Joe Rantz.
56:07 - Season 5 sneak peek: Olympic coxswain Mary Whipple, on water emergencies and safety, keeping junior athletes safe, indoor world record holder Elizabeth Gilmore, and Lessons in Chemistry author Bonnie Garmus.
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To see photos of Rachel and Tara, 2023 podcast guests, and get links to the people, clubs, policies, and events mentioned in this episode, check out the show notes on our website.
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This episode was made possible in part by Breakwater Realty, Concept2, EB5 Investors, RowSource, and our Patrons.